Your legacy is going to be a combination of the worst moments of Neville Chamberlain and Paul von Hindenburg. Nothing else.
Somebody crosspost this to NotTheOnion, because…
When he said he wasn’t ever going to pardon his son, I knew that wasn’t true, and so did he. There was no reason to lie, yes it’s a political witch hunt, and the only reason they went after him is because of who he was, but he knew that.
That’s another reason why I am disappointed in Biden.
The democratic party needs all of its leadership gone, people like Pelosi are keeping the party down at the expense of the American people.
Man, imagine if magats cared one inch when trump pardoned the straight up crooks Roger Stone et al. Imagine their reaction when he pardons everyone involved in the failed insurrection.
Do you think magats find us more decent and respectable when democrats “tsk tsk”?
Let Biden pardon his son, who gives a shit. It’s not like Trump is gonna go “well maybe I won’t be a dictator now” if Biden doesn’t.
His end is similar to Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Held on too long to power and totally fucked their legacy.
the genocide enablement also didnt help.
As a powerful American I’m sure she did that at some point.
This is as wrong as two left shoes. Retroactive alt-history with the benefit of hindsight can solve anything, congratulations.
I’ll point out that identical “logic” can condemn Bernie Sanders for the Trump Presidency.
but it’s not retroactive. people called for rbg’s resignation at the time. a lot of the establishment pushed back, including herself. they pretended it would be bad for the court to do such things for political reasons.
democrats love to lose. they live to lose. they talk civility and pretend they’re above politics. the whole entire fucking thing is political I’m so sick of these people. politicians pretending they’re above politics is like a plumber who pretends they’re above plumbing. they’re useless.
He kept his word that nothing would fundamentally change.
Yep, Which was another way of saying nothing will fundamentally improve either. Where is that old “Mission accomplished” banner from George W’s stupid flight suit speech after desert storm. Biden can reuse that.
True, the CHIPS act, infrastructure bill, inflation reduction act, the largest investment into climate change in US history, allowing Medicare negotiation for the first time in history and persistent support of Ukraine against fledgling populace support, and an economy that’s the envy of the world, all amount to nothing huh.
God damn, what did you want?
True, the CHIPS act, infrastructure bill, inflation reduction act, the largest investment into climate change in US history
The government throwing money at corporations and calling it progress is not fundamental change.
allowing Medicare negotiation for the first time in history
For 10 drugs. And legislation that only benefits old people is also not fundamental change.
and persistent support of Ukraine against fledgling populace support
The US funding a proxy war (I support Ukraine, but let’s call this what it is) is not a fundamental change.
and an economy that’s the envy of the world
You know that when you toss in shit like this, it casts doubts on the rest of your comment, right?
God damn, what did you want?
A minimum wage increase. Rescheduled cannabis. The childcare and education provisions promised and then gleefully jettisoned from BBB. Legislation to protect democracy. Legislation to protect Roe. You know, the things Biden promised when he was running. The word he just said he kept.
He came in from Trump, and left with Trump.
The guy didn’t really want to change anything, did he?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/08/16/biden-oil-drilling-production/ :
As he campaigned for president in 2020, Joe Biden made a bold promise at a New Hampshire town hall, adding repetition for emphasis: “No more drilling on federal lands. Period. Period. Period. Period.” […] The Biden administration has now outpaced the Trump administration in approving permits for drilling on public lands, and the United States is producing more oil than any country ever has.
He said he was going to do what he said he would do.
Not that he wouldn’t do things he said he wouldn’t do.
Senile old man with a giant ego can’t remember what he’s said or what he’s done. A sad state
No Biden, your legacy will be that your ego was so big, you let your country fall into fascism rather than relinquish power. He never should have run for 2024, and the DNC should have had an actual primary.
Nothing else he did during his term will end up mattering nearly as much as how it ended.
“Funnily” enough, he probably could have won against Trump…
he had the lowest poll ratings of any incumbent on 80 years. Nixon had higher polls than Biden. He had zero chance of being reelected, even before he talked about beating medicare. Even against an idiot like Trump. Harris’s hole challenge was to climb out of the giant approval hole Biden had dug himself with his own stupidity.
Considering Harris’ campaign was basically “I’m Biden 2.0, except I’m gonna capitulate even harder to Republicans,” I really, really doubt that. Biden won the 2020 election entirely off a platform of “I’m not Donald Trump.” It was foolish and belittiling of the DNC to think they could pull the same trick four years later.
How do you figure? He was looking at potentially losing Minnesota, New Hampshire and Virginia when he dropped out, and showing no signs of being able to campaign his way out of that hole. One of the Harris campaign’s “gaffes” in the late run was when he went and called Trump supporters garbage (or at least, said words that sounded like that) after the Puerto Rico thing at MSG). Maybe 2020 Biden could have pulled it out, but 2024 Biden, both in the sense of his current mental and social capabilities and in the sense of the baggage he had as the incumbent president, didn’t have a lot going for him
Maybe I’m wrong, but I was thinking more in the sense that a lot of people stayed home instead of going out to vote for Harris.
Fair, I just think jumping to the conclusion that those folks would have come out to vote for Biden is a stretch when you look at how well his campaign was going. Worth remembering that Harris way outperformed Biden in terms of approval rating, which is a very imperfect metric, but the best one we have for guessing if folks would have come out to vote for Biden but stay home for Harris. In 2020, Biden was a challenger to an incumbent who was botching Covid from both a health and economy perspective. In 2024, he was an incumbent struggling to get out of the shadow of the global post-covid recession and some very unpopular decisions in foreign policy regarding the Middle East. Assuming he would have received 2020 levels of votes is not congruent with those facts
There were people googling “did Biden drop out” on election day. His name on the ballot might have been enough.
Because he hid in a closet for four years, so him dropping out and not campaigning any more wasn’t a noticable difference.
Seriously, he did a tiny fraction of public appearances, press conferences, anything, that any other president in the modern era.
The only times we really heard from when he was shuffling from a vehicle into a building, a building into a vehicle, or rare occurrences of one vehicle to another
That’s not an opinion, it’s quantifiable fact.
And as we’ve found out in the last week, that was because his age had been an issue for a long time, and he just couldn’t handle stuff like that.
LMAO what a pathetic shift of blame from voters who had absolutely no fucking clue what was going on for months.
Edit: I love it when I see someone has replied that I blocked. Makes my heart sing to know I’ve removed a dickhead from my existence ❤️
Whose job was it to get the message out?
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If only Jill Stein had gotten a few more votes!
-linkerbaan/universalMonk simp-frauds everywhere
Did you vote Stein? I didn’t.
I know right? The most important idea is to avoid a democratic vote no matter what
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Green energy, EV investment, union empowerment (inb4), student debt relief marijuana pardons and likely rescheduling, infrastructure, drug price controls, Chips act, PACT act, non-competes banned (by FTC along ‘party lines’), pardoning people kicked out of military for being gay, supporting Ukraine, etc, etc.
People saying he didn’t do anything have their head in the sand.
Is this where we cue “but he didn’t do everything, everywhere, all at once”?
inb4
You lost me the moment you thought the strikes were only able sick days. Look up the unions’ demand and you’ll see that sick days were only one of many, and Biden still gave them less of those than they demanded.
And then when the amazon strikers were being illegally arrested by the cops the other day Biden didnt do a damned thing.
The video says (effectively) “still working behind the scenes on the remaining issues”. Just because they reach an agreement on one item doesn’t mean they ignore all the other items.
That was two years (???) ago and he only has two weeks left in office. Unless by some miracle they can get these things during Trump’s term, it ain’t happening.
It doesn’t get any media coverage, so I have no idea what happened. But this notion that he just ordered them back to work and nothing happened is dead wrong.
No he waited for the news cycle to move on and abandoned them
If that was the case then they wouldn’t have even gotten the sick days presented in the video. But they did.
I think people are more upset about the net change. Marijuana pardons, but he also pardoned someone who embezzled millions, as well as Hunter (after saying he wouldn’t). He also showed no sympathy for union workers, like when he signed return to work for striking rail workers.
He also showed no sympathy for union workers
and likely rescheduling
Cannabis is still Schedule I.
Going to copy paste my comment from elsewhere
He started the process for medical marijuana legalization in 2022 via rescheduling to schedule 3 (Harris had called for full legalization, Biden only called for medical). It’s not as simple as a singular executive order when done without congressional action alone. The existing law makes the process very convoluted to reschedule. Lots of steps inbetween with people that have actively tried to slow it down
The formal rule for it ended up being fully proposed in May 2024, and the DEA has dragged it out and kept delaying it. The DEA managed to push the inital first hearing out until Dec 2nd and there keep being legal challenges from outside groups to push it back further and further
Dems also tried getting it through via legislation which is much faster. Passed in the house but it died in the senate
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617
So why’d he fuck off until 2022 instead of starting it on Inauguration Day?
Maybe because there was a freaking pandemic to focus on. (Besides that the other guy said they did.)
Because legislation was a much faster route so they started there. It took a bit before died in the senate
No, that’s bullshit. There is absolutely no excuse why he couldn’t have worked on both processes at the same time.
Dems also tried getting it through via legislation which is much faster. Passed in the house but it died in the senate
Gee. How could that have happened in the Senate that Democrats controlled at the time?
The filibuster, which Biden did try to push for removal in certain areas. Joe Manchin and Sinema wouldn’t budge on it
He said he was in favor of removing the fillibuster only for two votes. For everything else he was flatly against eliminating it. He was all for keeping the filibuster in place when republicans regularly held the government hostage on budget bills to. Why did he take the republican side on that? No one knows. It makes no sense.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/21/biden-nothing-done-filibuster-abolished-500502
We gave Democrats a majority. We gave them the opportunity. They didn’t do what we elected them to do.
Joe Manchin is barely a democrat - though he’s probably the best you’d get out of West Virginia. In other parts of the world, he’d be a different party and he’s already left the Democratic party
Look, Biden could have just gone home, blamed Manchin, called it a day on so many issues but he didn’t. He actually tried to do what he could via executive action in many areas. He got zero credit for quite significant legislation and executive action
He managed to get one of the largest US climate bill through (Inflation Reduction Act), large infrastructure investments, etc.
Biden has many many faults. You don’t need to claim there’s ones in the areas where he did really try and got only shit on for it
Joe Manchin is barely a democrat
Joe Manchin’s obstruction is the last word people got from the Democratic Party on a host of issues.
Look, Biden could have just gone home, blamed Manchin, called it a day on so many issues but he didn’t.
Like he did with most of BBB, yes.
He got zero credit for quite significant legislation and executive action
That’s what happens when you spend decades being on the wrong side of issues, as Biden was with both cannabis and student loans. You don’t get credit for slapping a tiny store-brand bandaid over the problems you made a career out of creating and exacerbating. Especially when the tiny store-brand bandaid falls off.
He managed to get one of the largest US climate bill through (Inflation Reduction Act)
Centrists really overestimate the popularity of that law. Sometimes they wait a whole other sentence before gloating about record oil production.
Biden has many many faults. You don’t need to claim there’s ones in the areas where he did really try and got only shit on for it
His other faults make me disinclined to carry water for him.
Because we didn’t elect enough of them. You’re really leaning on “we have a majority because West Virginia”?
Because we didn’t elect enough of them.
There are never enough. They killed the public option last time we gave them a supermajority.
Hello Mr Crab! That’s why I said likely! He told whatever agency to look at it and iirc they announced plans to reschedule it.
I also see someone else has given you a whole bunch of information on it.
Cannabis is still Schedule I.
And that’s why I said likely! Are you on repeat?
Well, at least you’ve moved on for your previous position that Biden had rescheduled cannabis. Because you knew every last time you repeated it that it was a fucking lie.
Cannabis is still Schedule I, where you and Crime Bill Biden love it.
And that’s why I said likely!
For anyone wondering, months ago I said that Biden rescheduled marijuana. I said you can say that I was a little ahead of the ball on that. But Mr Crab got suuuppeeerrr mad, yelling and screaming at me for months, and still going! I think he’s at 4 months now! You’d think that lack of rescheduling raped and killed his mother or something.
where you … love it.
Ah and we have your strawman! Still can’t break that AND operator huh! For anyone wondering, Mr Crab is intent on calling people centrists.
And that’s why I said likely!
Because you expect people who know better to buy that cannabis is “likely” to be rescheduled in the next month? Come on dude.
Biden didn’t reschedule cannabis. It’s still Schedule I. Where it will remain until the end of his term. Where he always intended it to stay.
He did not, as you asserted, reschedule it. That was a lie. You didn’t “get a little bit ahead of the ball.” That ball ain’t moving and it was never going to. It was just a lie. That’s all it ever was and all it will ever be. You. Lied.
Still can’t break that AND operator huh!
I’m not sure why you think this makes any more sense than last time.
Anyway, I’m out. You’re just trying to provoke a slapfight.
EDIT: They always keep trying when you say you’re leaving. Now he’s whining about downvotes and making conspiracy allegations.
Oh word, is marijuana legalized Joe?
He never said he would legalize marijuana. He can’t do that, wrong branch. He did say he would pursue decriminalization of it, which he did pursue Iike the other comment said about trying to get it rescheduled. As of January 2022 there were 0 people in federal prisons for charges solely based upon possession of marijuana. (He pardoned a number to get them out)
If you want it legalized, look at the legislative branch.
Of course it isn’t. But centrists will lie and say it is.
He started the process for medical marijuana legalization in 2022 via rescheduling to schedule 3 (Harris had called for full legalization, Biden only called for medical). It’s not as simple as a singular executive order when done without congressional action alone. The existing law makes the process very convoluted to reschedule. Lots of steps inbetween with people that have actively tried to slow it down
The formal rule for it ended up being fully proposed in May 2024, and the DEA has dragged it out and kept delaying it. The DEA managed to push the inital first hearing out until Dec 2nd and there keep being legal challenges from outside groups to push it back further and further
Gee, a savvy career politician like Biden should have known they would have done that and accounted for it.
Oh wait. He did. That’s why he did it so late. So it wouldn’t happen.
Biden was the best president of my lifetime. Not really close.
What bleak times we inhabit.
I hope you think biden being the least stinky of a bunch of piles of shit doesn’t mean he’s good cx
I think our pile of shit issue is less due to the Dem presidents and more about our balance in Congress.
I think both Biden and Obama wanted to lower wealth inequality. But those funding congressional campaigns absolutely do not.
It’s very much both. Across the board, dem presidents hardly do anything to oppose republicans or follow through on campaign promises
Or he tried getting through via legislation because he knew that’d be much faster, but only once he knew he didn’t have the votes for it, he then pivoted to the slower executive action
There was a bill passed in 2022 in the house to do exactly that which ran into roadblocks in the senate
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3617
There was a bill passed in 2022 in the house to do exactly that which ran into roadblocks in the senate
Funny how that always happens on things Democrats never had any intention of ever doing.
Well, yeah, kinda is; but trump did that with the 2018 farm bill.
If by kinda you mean “not” then sure
idk he certainly did some decent stuff, and tried to do even more while being blocked by the other branches, but he broke his word several times.
I’ll miss the boring politics as we faceplant back into potus orange haired toadus
It’s been fine waking up every day simply concerned about the economy and people experiencing terrible things from afar, soon my morning concerns will include our local immigrants, a christofacist state, political retribution against some of the few politicians with some integrity, a further broken judicial system, broken education, banned abortions, broken social security, further broken health insurance. Ugh
Spare a thought for the persecuted trans people. We need to actively defend the minorities the fascists pick on.
and tried to do even more while being blocked by the other branches,
Joe ran the primary saying he alone could get the party platform past a republican majority Senate…
That was literally his main stump point.
After the GA runoffs surprised everyone with a 50/50 split, he immediately said it was ignorant to believe a 50/50 Senate could accomplish anything
I’ll miss the boring politics
Lots of terrible shit happened under Biden, the difference is people dont pay attention compared to when it’s a Republican
Shocking you are raging about a non-republican
Tell that to the railroad workers friendo
Ah yeah joes legacy failing to remove the bad policies he helped write and pass into legislation for 50 years. Dead Gaza Baby, Three Strikes Your Black, Drugs are only ok if your Rich or related to me - greatest hits.
I have this really wierd take where I judge things based on the other things in their group. A sort of realtive judgement based on my experience of reality. As opposed to what I feel it should be in an ideal state in my head. I would like to get to that ideal state but it has not come to be yet. Once again I will say that biden was the best president of my lifetime. I get a lot of flak from that but so far no one has taken a president from the last 50 years as an example of how much better they were than him or gave me a run down rank putting him at the bottom below reagan and bush and trump and such.
The problem with comparing Presidents is that you have to consider the times they were in power, and what did get done vs. what could have been done. Sorting Democrats above Republicans is the easy part, but the caveat is that they could have been so much better, but settled for better than Republicans. And of course parties over time change as well. Neither party resembles the past version in many ways.
I’m surprised you put Biden above Obama or Carter though. What major achievement did he do that gives him top level?
actually its because as you say considering the times. obama had two terms and in the first term he wasted a lot of time trying to work with republicans. as such the aca was the only thing to come out of it and he had a very nice initial setup congression wise. Biden had a very adversarial situation and managed to do quite a bit of useful thing. beyond the omundsman bill was the no surprise billing and not allowing college loan debt to rise above principle, have payback relative to means and discharged after 20 years of payments (the income driven plan). This is keep in mind the compromise action after knocking down many other more comprehensive discharging and despite a complete lack of appreciation on this platform for it from many folks. he was like a bulldog coming back and getting at least something done for all of his stuff. Getting more people overtime when miscategorized as exempt. I still give him credit for the no compete even though the courts blocked it. It at least as made it an issue. Don’t get me wrong I like obama like as far as stats. well spoken, well educated, just downright cool and a leader you could be proud to have. One that makes other countries jealous. Again though he sorta wasted the first term. I do keep in mind that biden did better because of his experience under obama though so its a bit unfair but its results that matter. Similarly carter did not get a lot in his term and unfortunately it was because he was to good for the job really.
A fair answer. Most interesting is the commonality they all share that impedes further progress. The other party. I can’t blame Obama for limited success, when the opposition adopts a “Vote No” mentality because of racism, and he hit resistance within his own party that made the wins lackluster (ACA and Lieberman).
Obama also had a 2 month window where he could get things done and that’s when he got the ACA passed. That was the only 2 month window that Democrats had the ability to move legislation through Congress and the Senate without obstruction since 2009 when Obama came in.
Anything that has to be written in a bill has to pass through both branches, so if it requires a bill, it really can’t be blamed on a president because they don’t even exist in that branch. That’s on the U.S. population for voting on a majority Dems/Pubs in the house/Senate. Biden served 0 days as president with a majority in those that could pass legislation… And people complain he got nothing done, when really somehow… He still got a decent amount of legislation through while being roadblocked every day for 4 years.
Edit: That will get me called a centrist or some shit… But really those people are just foolishly ignoring the truth of how our government is set up.
clinton had some similar stuff. kennedy was resistant to healthcare because of trump like idea that it was like his or his families thing to accomplish.
Once again I will say that biden was the best president of my lifetime.
And lots of people say trump was/is…
That’s because it’s an opiy, and everyone is entitled to their own, no matter how few agree with them.
but so far no one has taken a president from the last 50 years as an example of how much better they were than him or gave me a run down rank putting him at the bottom below reagan and bush and trump and such.
He’s below Obama, and Bill…
Those are the only two Dem presidents to compare him too.
While ignoring that Biden was just a figurehead for the neo liberal wing that stopped Obama from doing more…
That’s the important distinction, Obama wasn’t perfect but tried to do more and failed.
Biden drug his feet and reluctantly did some small things, but the people who decided it was Biden’s turn and gave him the “victory fund” when Hillary was done with it have the pull they could have gotten a lot done.
They just didn’t want to
And I know all this goes over people’s heads, and they’re likely just going to get upset because Biden has the right letter by his name.
But how can you say Biden was better than Obama considering that?
man you and I have 100% opposite views on obama and biden. I loved obama but felt he got little done in his first term (for biden im comparing like with like so every presidents first term) do to trying to work with republicans to much and I see biden as having gotten up every time something he did was smacked down and got some sort of progress going. He seemed to understand that while the whole loaf would be great, better half than none. Clinton had a lot of things I did not like. drug benefit that was way to much corpo giveaway. and then also I feel he got, at least initially, an easy situation for a democratic president. bush sr lost because he was still classically conservative enough to raise taxes and the economy bill inherited was significantly better than obama or biden. I feel more than any other democrat he coasted and could have fought for much better gains.
. I loved obama but felt he got little done
Because the neoliberal wing sabotaged the progressive agenda…
The same ones that put Biden as VP, the same ones who handed Biden the primary.
What Obama got done, he got done in spite of people like Biden, but he did all he could.
What Biden got done, was what his donors figured would be just enough progress to keep the poors from rioting, but him and the other neoliberals are the reason we didn’t get the whole progressive party platform voters want…
Like, have you ever heard the phrase “Stockholm Syndrome” before?
Because you’re giving the people holding our heads underwater credit for letting us up when we drown then plunging us back under all over again.
Completely ignoring they’re the ones that keep drowning us.
this is just patently rediculous. biden did not hold obama back or hold that much sway. It only make obama seem like a week president like bush jr being lorded over by chenney or trump being lorded over by musk. obama was better than that.
biden did not hold obama back or hold that much sway
What?
There was a typo I fixed, but I don’t think that changes anything:
Because the neoliberal wing sabotaged the progressive agenda…
The same ones that put Biden as VP, the same ones who handed Biden the primary.
I said the people running the DNC who put Biden as VP were the ones that sabotaged Biden.
By 2008 Biden was already considered an empty suit, and was there to calm boomers down about voting for a Black guy.
I never implied Biden was some Machiavellian political genius calling the shots from the shadows.
Like, it seems like you believe that’s what I was talking about and not Dem Senators and House Reprentatives refusing to back his popular policy…
It’s like you’re having a conversation with someone else…
Yeah I guess I missread your last comment as it seemed to be about biden rather than congress. I think though you are attributing more the way democratic representatives are compared to republicans. Democrats are a centerist party and have always ruled with consensus and don’t get behind a leader like the republicans do. I don’t think they resisted obamas policies any more than they did clintons or carters. Now this is something where biden had a bit of an advantage in that republicans have made it so us vs them that dems line up a bit better than before. Curiously this seems to be one of the things screwing up the republicans as their party is more split now and they never really were good with consensus.
Democrats are a centerist party
Since the neoliberal takeover in the 90s piggybacked on Bills inherit charisma and the dotcom boom…
Since then we’ve had 12 years of Dem presidents, 8 of those were a young charismatic reminiscent of the actual popular things about Bill, and then 4 years of his VP, because that was the only option next to trump.
The “centrist” experiment doesn’t fucking work.
We can’t keep pretending it does, the country isn’t going to survive it.
Before Bill, there was Jimmy C, also so progressive that the moderate wing sabotaged him. Before that FDR who wanted universal healthcare and was wildly popular.
He also was opposed by the moderate wing of the Dem party. The issue has just been exacerbated since Hillary’s Victory fund nonsense, and while I’d like to assume everyone is aware by now:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
For longer than either of us have been alive, progressives dominate general elections when they can get past their own party. When they can’t (except for rare exceptions) the Republican wins.
You’re stuck on “as long as they’re better than a Republican” we’re not talking about if that’s correct.
I’m talking about how we can’t reliable convince voters of that, so as long as we keep doing it, republican presidents keep happening.
We can stop that, by finally picking voters over donors. And selecting the most popular candidate for the general, rather than the one who gets the most donations from billionaires and corporations
