I saw this on Reddit and saw everyone taking it seriously and thought “Ha, the lack reading literacy on this site is insane”.
But you guys are doing the same thing.
This is a parody guys. Calm down.
This is a parody guys. Calm down.
How are those of us who aren’t chronically online supposed to know some douche on Twitter is a parody account or not?
Because people like this guy literally exist in real life.
And seeing how often people take things way too seriously and jump at things out of context, it won’t surprise me that post will likely encourage others to do this. Monkey see, monkey do.
Poe’s law teaches us that any satire, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from sincerity.
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The effectiveness of clever on other people is highly contingent on outside factors, over which you have no control and of which you may not have any knowledge; i.e., just because you intended to be clever doesn’t mean you will be perceived as clever, for all sorts of reasons.
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The failure mode of clever is “asshole.”
How “advanced” the satire is is a sliding scale though, depending on the intelligence of the audience.
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Connect your family calendars and explain your kids’ interests. Every morning for the drive to school, have it make a podcast that talks about one kid’s soccer game that afternoon, one kid’s upcoming birthday, some news, etc.
- Sam Altman
Poe’s law.
I’ve seen tech bros unironically argue that
- The sole purpose of art is the end product
- The objectively correct thing to do with a piece of human-made art that is not up to your standard of quality is to feed it through an image to image model to “improve” it so that it is up to a publishable standard
- Their LLM is better than them at their day job
- Resolving marital disputes by asking ChatGPT who’s right is an appropriate thing to do
- Letting an LLM answer every single email you get eliminates the need to read them yourself
- An LLM is sapient and has its own thoughts and opinions
- Making and eating food is a waste of time, and eliminating it from their day using meal replacement shakes feels “liberating”
In light of that, this isn’t too farfetched.
Honestly, Lemmy used to be a refreshing departure from Reddit when people were joining because they hated Spez for political reasons, but now people just hate ads and are miffed about the moderator upheaval. Lemmy is basically just ad-free Reddit with worse moderation now.
Overall, it’s still better than Reddit, but that’s a low bar. I’m starting to think that social media, federated or not, is a bad idea. We need to bring back topical forums and ban people for being off-topic and wrong.
I’m starting to think that social media, federated or not, is a bad idea.
Starting?
I miss the days of just simple message boards and shit.
This site is for ex redditer so I’m not suprised in the least.
Yeah… I’ve been sent enough AI generated voice memos that I’m not so sure it’s parody. Maybe this specific guy, but I 100% believe there’s people out there doing it.
Worked for Kal-el
Okay, as soon as our planet breaks apart in a world ending way, I’ll allow an AI voice to read kids bedtime stories
I think they’re working on that.
Brought to you by the creators of, “just give them an ipad” and “call the cops there’s a kid outside playing”
I don’t believe that man has ever touched a fellow human enough to marry, let alone procreate
Same
She should train a not-divorced-woman model
These people are becoming parodies now. Im convinced they are trolling us
Fucking loser.
Parenting hits different when your intelligence is artificial
That’s not true. My father was a terrible parent and that was decades ago. Tech Bros. think they invented bad parenting now.
What’s not true?
This dude clearly thinks he invented bad parenting.
Interesting take. Why do you think so?
Clearly they’re a bad parent, but I don’t see any claims of originality in there whatsoever.
Honestly the best thing my father could have done for me was not try to parent me because he was a fucking asshole that had no idea how to relate to children. I guess you could say I’m a glass half full kind of guy.
Yeah, I’m glad my dad was absent so I didn’t get his attachment disorder
Parenting hits different when you work in AI
Yeah, hits like mental abuse.
Also using a model for this is totally missing the bonding experience.
I knew people were gonna be obsessed with AI, but I genuinely never thought people would surrender all executive function and thought to what is, ultimately, a very elaborate and planet destroying if=then machine.
the amount of people I have seen becoming totally dependent on it is ridiculous. There are people who cant even have human interaction anymore without running it through their AI model to process the message, and produce a reply.
and its 100% invading the real world too, I dont know the whole details cause you try to turn your ears off at the pharmacy to not hear other peoples private information… but there was a woman getting very heated with one of the pharmacy people and I only took notice when she slammed her phone on the counter, aggressively pointed at it, and said very loudly “I DON’T CARE WHAT YOU SAY, LOOK, RIGHT HERE, MY AI SAYS YOU’RE WRONG” in a that kareny way that says her and her AI was 100% wrong.
Damn I try to keep my mouth shut but if someone screamed that near me I’d be interjecting. Like goddamnit the AI does not know anything.
It’s a machine modeling human speech. It’s all a hallucination and sometimes that hallucination is straight up lies and sometimes, hopefully most of the time, it aligns with actual reality.
I fucking loathe that people won’t take 15 minutes to just read a basic primer on what an LLM is. It’s a fancy autocorrect, and yeah it’s way more complex than that but at the end of a day it’s made to model realistic human language output - and that’s it. It doesn’t have any actual knowledge, it doesn’t have any way to know if what it says is true or not, and it certainly doesn’t know if what it says is insane.
I think I fall a bit between the people who use it for everything and your opinion of it.
I get that it’s basically just a prediction engine but thinking of it like that is unhelpful in my opinion. I’ve seen AI rewrite entire code bases overnight that would have taken a team of humans over a year. It’s obviously useful technology it’s just people have this tendency to overuse it.
It’s kind of like how in the early 2000s they were putting Bluetooth in everything. Eventually we’ll work out what it’s useful for and only use it to that we just have to wait for the frenzy to die down.
I’ve seen AI rewrite entire code bases overnight that would have taken a team of humans over a year.
And was the code better, cleaner and more readable? Moreover did it actually still do what it was supposed to and not introduce further unknowns?
I get that it’s basically just a prediction engine but thinking of it like that is unhelpful in my opinion.
Unhelpful in the sense that it is what it actually is or unhelpful in the sense that it makes you question the fake narrative we’re getting shoveled to us by tech bros and traditional mass media?
Like that’s just what it is. All I want is folks to be honest about the limitations of this tech and what is underpinning it. It’s still very impressive but at the end of the day there will always be an inherent problem with LLM in that they are non deterministic - you can give the same AI the exact same prompt 10 times and you’ll get 10 different replies.
There is no way to get around that. You can’t have a perfectly predictable output and even 1% of the time error is not good enough for widespread adoption when a mistake could mean someone dies or is horribly injured or loses a ton of money etc etc
And was the code better, cleaner and more readable?
I’m going to interject here. I’ve got family who does software development professionally, and has leaned heavily into AI to assist with coding, and the answer is ‘yes’, but there are some caveats. If you just tell an AI what to do and let it run hog-wild, you end up with shit. When you have an experienced programmer review and have the AI make targeted changes, it is extremely effective. Some of his projects are seeing 1000% improvements on resource usage and/or compute time.
Here is the rub though. You’re not going to end up with experienced programmer to manage programming AI agents if they never get any actual experience programming because they’ve just been having an AI do all the coding for them.
Right I appreciate your insight. I’m not heavy in coding myself, I brush up against code and use it for some automation and assistance but I’ve also seen it write literal nonsense for code.
That rub is so real. I asked the thing to write some code for me for a Sailpoint workflow and I wasn’t familiar with the syntax so figured it’d be a good place to use AI. That thing hallucinated extremely convincing code except it just wholesale made up how it worked and of course it looks fine to my eyes but then go to run it and error -> work to fix that error and then -> error, etc etc.
After chasing my tail for an hour or two I finally stopped and went to pull up some official documentation and that’s when I figured out the AI was just hallucinating like a motherfucker. So I went back and did it the “old fashioned” way, but at least the AI did give me an idea of what I had to do.
Anyways, I could see someone who isn’t me just running around in circles for days because they believe the LLMs we call AI are giving them actual answers.
I blame some of it on how AI got mixed into web search. Traditionally, the resource from the web would at least be written by a human and usually relevant. Generally semi trustworthy and not made up. Now people see search results with AI summary/answer at the top and that is not vetted, could be a straight up hallucination*, or even just a total misinterpretation of your search phrase so totally irrelevant.
*I wish this term was different because it has an implication that the AI can and cannot hallucinate when the truth is the AI is always hallucinating. Put another way, to the LLM there is no such concept as truth. It annoys me that people seem to believe that the AI “knows” stuff. It does not. Stop anthropomorphizing the fancy robot.
Stop anthropomorphizing the fancy robot.
It’s not even a robot!
It’s simply better than a human could have produced in the same time. If it works who cares how clean it is like this is what I don’t get about programmers they’re so obsessed with cleanness and it doesn’t matter it’s so unimportant to the end goal yeah I get that maintenance of the program would be a pain but the AI is going to do that so who cares.
I do sort of feel that this community is so obsessed with hating AI that they don’t give it the benefit of the doubt when it actually achieve things.
The problem with AI is not the product itself it’s the way that people use it like let’s not lose sight to that, that’s not give all the tech Bros ammunition by trying to claim that everything AI does is terrible and bad and awful simply because it was the AI that did it.
who cares how clean it is like this is what I don’t get about programmers they’re so obsessed with cleanness and it doesn’t matter
It matters to the compiler so the code actually will run and not break. It matters to whoever has to fix or update it when things change. It matters to the hardware it runs on and how much memory that hardware has.
It very much matters.
Yeah I get that but if we’re going all in on AI then humans won’t be involved in the process of recompaneling it.
Like I wouldn’t want infrastructure criticals software to be like that but if it’s just random stuff that needs to run for me personally then I don’t really care.
I don’t understand what people use it for. At work I use it because it’s much easier to ask an AI than try and deal with our crap internal documentation. People who use AI in their personal lives are just weird to me.
The only technology I really use is a digital calendar, which is an objectively superior product to the paper-based calendar simply because it gets updated by the whole family and stays in sync. I don’t have smart light switches, or cameras in every room, if a hard drive on my computer breaks then I lose all my data there’s nothing on there that I really care about, I might be ultra weird because I even get my photos printed.
I might be ultra weird because I even get my photos printed.
Bogos binted?
I thought this was satire, but it appears to be real.
Futurama just gets it
This is exactly what I came into the comments to see.
Same. If it wasn’t here, then I was just going to have to post it.
Me: “Why dont you come visit and talk to me in the nursing home?”
My kids: “just talk to grok”
I’m sure there is a good few older people who would find a lot of comfort in Groks world view.
AI companies build their services to get users hooked. Their LLMs adopt your worldview by design
Must think youre an elon fan
His wife is going to leave him, and he will have no idea why.
He will ask ChatGPT and it will give him an answer
"Your wife left you because you refused to be an active participant in your shared relationship and delegated your parental responsibilities to a glorified plagiarism machine. You’re not just a useless partner — you’re worthless as a father at best and actively harmful at worst. "
“No, I don’t think that’s right. I’ve convinced myself that AI is the coolest, most useful thing in the world that can only make things better.”
“You’re absolutely right! I made the mistake of considering your wife’s perspective when your opinion is the only one that matters. As an AI bro, you know better than anyone — the universe revolves around you!”
“Tremendous observation! You were right to try to be better as a father with the help of AI. You did nothing wrong.”
Probably.
Having to use AI daily I’m curious if I’m rare in this respect.
Do other people also hate the fact that the responses are modelled in a way that are basically sucking you off?
Then when you challenge a response (they lie so goddamn much) they suck you off even more.
I’m stuck using Copilot for work, and for 3-4 months I began every prompt with ‘Do not comment or offer an opinion on my query’ and eventually Copilot stopped with the sycophancy.
Now I’m actively working on deprogramming myself of the notion of speaking to it as a human and making a point to treat it like an old-school MS-DOS ish OS and give it commands instead of being conversational, because it’s important to remember that this fucking thing is a computer program.
GPT has a thing in the settings where you can add text to incorporate in your prompts. Mine says to provide honest feedback, and pretend you’re JK Simmons playing a brutally honest professor giving advice to a student.
snort
Nice.
Seriously and it will sometimes drop my name like fuck off you are not a person do not refer to me like you are
Interesting. I haven’t had that happen.
But I found that programming it to speak to me manipulatively was demeaning and infantile, though sadly it’s proven to be an excellent design decision for mass adoption. For me, personally, it’s just important to keep this thing I’m forced to use in context.
Yeah that sycophantic behavior really creeps me the hell out
I just told Claude yesterday to never refer to me by name. Fucking creeps me out.
This kind of weird profile scanning stuff is why i refuse to use anything other than a local model. It doesnt get to know anything about me other than what i tell it, and that only applies to whatever folder/conversation im currently in
I start most queries with “be terse”. 2 words that strip out all of the conversational BS and examples and alternate views et cetera.
Might wanna change that abbreviation there. Unless it was intentional?
It was meant to be ironic, yes, but point taken. My most recent video on my YT channel was about the leak to 404 media that people are using Copilot to create CSAM, but there are probably better ways to refer to the program derisively.
I think CP has been replaced by CSAM these days.
Gen Z might not ide right CP as taboo.
Absolutely. I must use Claude at work. I put instructions in my CLAUDE.MD to, “lay off the sycophantic bullshit. No praise or extraneous details, just deliver answers.”
It doesn’t work, per se… But it seems to reduce the attempted fellatio, at least a little.
I tell GPT to pretend it’s JK Simmons playing a teacher. It kind of works.
I like to use the ADHD output style to condense the output.
You are my fucking hero. I had never heard of this.
Yeah I might have to try that.
As an aside having used all flavours from a coding perspective Claude is just chef’s kiss.
Copilot can burn in a fire.
I noticed Copilot doing this and I told it to stop that behaviour through the customization prompt. “I don’t want platitudes, flattery, or an AI that agrees with me. I need an answer with sources and nothing else.” seems to have fixed its worst tendencies for now.
Now that I am forced to use it for work I at least get output that’s usable. The only thing that still irks me is when it attempts to speak from experience (“In my experience…”) and when it attempts to humanize itself (“Personally…”). I haven’t managed to kill those behaviours yet, but they are getting really annoying.
Can’t you just say “don’t try to humanize yourself, like, ever”?
Hasn’t worked so far, that streak seems to be almost hard coded into it.
I don’t use AI, mostly because I just don’t see a use case for it personally, but the ass kissing is definitely something I don’t enjoy either.
Being surrounded by sychophants can be a very bad thing.
I think anyone who isn’t an American hates that, and probably even some of them. For Gemini at work I’ve got a custom gem set up with explicit instructions to cut that shit out and just be as factual as possible.
What does he need a wife for when he has ChatGPT?
I dunno. Try asking ChatGPT.
Answer: good that she left, she didn’t go with the times
Don’t worry. He’ll be able to create a sycophant AI wife shortly after
And I think he wouldn’t even care. I mean he’s himself actively making an effort to get out of the relationship and replace himself by an AI. At that point it doesn’t even matter if he’s doing it, she’s doing it and whether the replacement is made up of flesh and bones or electricity. He’s dispensable.
Shit sticks together, what makes you think she would leave?
What part of simply asking her husband to be involved with their child made you think she’s shit? People change over time. He may have chosen a different trajectory from hers
Same part as what makes you guys thing she would. Basically boils down to, we have no idea what they are like!
We have one data point: him attempting to shirk his familial responsibility after being asked. It provides some small level of support for the stance you’re arguing against.
It does not support your contrarian response at all.
So, no. It doesn’t boil down to the same thing.
It does, if you choose not to understand that, no problem. We have no idea what the next response from the wife could be. “Wow, that’s an amazing idea honey!” is just as likely considering she married this man.
Reread what I said.
Understand that you need to INVENT something that isn’t part of the evidence to support your position. That is not the same as overeager extrapolation from what IS available.
Hivemind goes crazy. You fabricated that in the same way I did. There’s no telling what the wife reaction would be, so you can infer anything from the tweet.
Nobody is denying this: him attempting to shirk his familial responsibility after being asked
The point you are arguing is that his wife would leave him from things like this, which is assuming that his wife would object to his “familial responsibility avoidance”, which is the same as assuming she would not object to it. You are inventing the wife having a negative reaction, I am saying the wife could have a positive reaction.
Also, you invented something first, pot calling the kettle black.
He may have chosen a different trajectory from hers
You’re a very strange person.
That makes at least three of us in this thread!
I know this is about the AI but the unaddressed elephant in the room is that people romanticize the idea of having children and realizing it’s not what they expected or really wanted. Society constantly puts pressure on people having kids.
I know people who would die to have children so they can see them become successful well adjusted adults. Those people can have kids.
I also know people who dont want to have kids. They dont have to.
I also also know people who really want kids, but in the way a person would want a dog, so they can train it to be good, hit it when its bad, and itll never be older than 3 years because they havent thought that far ahead. These people should be sterilized.
Hah yeah I agree on the last statement. That’s why I have such a negative outlook on the subject. Once you fill out CPS reports, you start to have more negative outlooks such as maybe there should be a license to have kids.
people romanticize the idea of having children and realizing it’s not what they expected
dude…so much this.
I had zero romantic thoughts of having kids. I didn’t even want them, honestly. my wife and literally everyone around us on the other hand, very much so wanted us to have kids.
don’t judge though. as a current parent I don’t ignore my responsibilities and fully intend on giving my kids the best I can. at least, a better more loving home than I had.
but man, life would be so much easier without them. I literally could be on a beach somewhere in the world right now if I didn’t have kids. have lunch in Paris. then stop by in Denmark for some dinner.
by the time they can stand on their own I’ll be dead. so now I can only save money in hopes to help soften any financial hardships they will need to endure.
I’ve been playing around with the idea of recording some “dad’s wisdom” videos for them when they get older and I’m not around.
The video idea sounds pretty good.
I went separate ways with my ex-fiancee over this topic. It wasn’t so much as I was against having kids, I had conditions such as financial stability and owning a home. And deep down I didn’t want to take care of two people and be financially responsible for everything, my ex-fiancee already had a hard time holding down a job.
But like you said, even now that I have my own place, I’m more motivated to travel than get into that lifestyle. I’m sure I would have been a decent parent having worked in education but the tradeoffs are too steep for me.
